Mixed Martial Arts

[Andi D]

1. Do you watch those events?

2. What's your favourite?

3.UFC vs. Pride, which one do you consider to be the better event and WHY?

4. Who's your favourite fighter?


1: Guess what.

2: Pride, Pancrase, K-1 Romanex (in this order)

3: Pride is way better IMHO

why: better fighter (better quality of the fights), bette rule/scoring system

4: Middleweight/Light Heavy Weight: Wanderlei Silva

Heavyweight: Fedor Emelianenko

[Johnny Upton]

Yes

Pride

Pride. I prefer the Pride rules. While Pride has a marked advantage in talent at Heavyweight, the Lt Heavy/MW classes are pretty equal in talent.

Igor Vovchanchyn

[Brad]

1. Do you watch those events?

2. What's your favourite?

3.UFC vs. Pride, which one do you consider to be the better event and WHY?

4. Who's your favorite fighter?
I watch and Pride puts on a better show. Their is emphasis on finishing fights and I like that fighters can get yellow carded for slow action. I want to know who the baddest man in the world is but I also want to be entertained. So what if they throw a few Japanese cans in the ring, they provide some of the most entertaining fights (Frye/Takayama).

I think the UFC needs to hold GP's to improve. Give their top contenders some cans in the first round or two to establish why they are the best and then they go at it in the semi's and finals. It builds the fighters reputation up as well as the suspense for when they meet. Plus, there is always a chance for an upset.

When watching Pride my favorite fighter is pretty much any American that is in the ring. I like fighters who entertain, fighters that try to end fights or fighters who bring something different to a match.

Pride: I love to hate Silva. He is the NY Yankees of the MW division. I will watch any fight that he is in. I'm intrigued by Rulon Gardner. You can't submit a guy you can't take down. If he can hold his own in standup he could be a real problem in the HW division. Cro-Cop, Rampage, Gomi, anyone that tries to finish a fight.

UFC: Couture, Sylvia, Tanner, Nick Diaz (local kid). I'm tired of watching UFC put out re-treads like Tank Abbott, Kimo and Ken Shamrock. Ken was great in his day, but there is only one 40 year old guy I want to watch. I am looking forward to UFC 51 because there are a lot of guys from Nor-cal fighting.

[Stillblind]

I prefer to watch Pride because they have the better fighters and the rules are a lot better. Ufc on the other hand is responsible for more younger talent in the MMA community. Most the better fighters in Ufc end up at least fighting in Pride sometime in their carrer. Who do you guys think is gonna win in Feb with the Belfort-Ortiz fight?

Favorite Fighters:
K1 - Remy Bonjaski
Pride - Crocop
Ufc - Frank Mir

[MasterOfNone]

I've watched plenty of UFC, never seen Pride so I don't really know how they differ. Say what you want about him, but it was fun watching Tito Ortiz lay in to everyone who came up against him. It was even more fun watching him get his ass handed to him. There's a new reality show with Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture starting up soon where they train 16 guys to compete in UFC.

The Ultimate Fighter
http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/index.jhtml?seriesID=14176&refID=ultimatefighter

[Jensen189]

The new K-1 mma is going to attract alot more of the top fighters, simply because they will pay alot more money. Right now i like Pride, but soon the K-1 will take over in my opinion.

I personally run a BJJ team on my college campus, and i am pretty heavily involved with MMA stuff also. I wrestled when i was younger, and the combination of that and BJJ is interesting. Do you guys compete or anything like that?

[Stillblind]

[QUOTE=Jensen189] I personally run a BJJ team on my college campus, and i am pretty heavily involved with MMA stuff also. I wrestled when i was younger, and the combination of that and BJJ is interesting. Do you guys compete or anything like that?[/QUOTE

I started out taking TKD for a year and did not like it so i moved on to BJJ and have takin that for almost six years.

[Andi D]

Speaking of Martial Arts Training, I'm training Muay Thai since almost 5 years now and recently started BJJ, so I can compete in local MMA (Freefight Association Austria/Germany). When I watch Nogueira submitting his opponents it all looks so easy, but applying an armbar or a choke that is hard to exit (if you are strong enough to hold it) is quite hard.

Though, BJJ is pretty neat and I love it. Thanks to the Gracie's!

[Stillblind]

Speaking of Martial Arts Training, I'm training Muay Thai since almost 5 years now and recently started BJJ, so I can compete in local MMA (Freefight Association Austria/Germany). When I watch Nogueira submitting his opponents it all looks so easy, but applying an armbar or a choke that is hard to exit (if you are strong enough to hold it) is quite hard.

Though, BJJ is pretty neat and I love it. Thanks to the Gracie's!
How do you like training Muay Thai? Ive heard that muay thai and bjj are a really good combo. Has it improved your leg and knee strikes a lot.

I recently competed in a comp. and got submitted by triangle choke. That has to be the hardest submisson for me to get out of.

[Andi D]

Muay Thai is the best striking art IMHO, simply because you use kinda every body part.

That's why it's called 8 point striking system (fists, ellbows, knees & feet), unlike kickboxing where u may not strike your opponent with the ellbow and in some organizations knees are barely allowed (that's what I heard).

Another good thing is, that you don't have to train with weights for your legs, cuz the bagwork and padwork builds them pretty well.

And yes, I'd say it's most effective, if u combine it with some grappling art, preferably BJJ or wrestling (no, not gay olympic wrestling, I'm talking about submission wrestling). Another good thing is, that BJJ increased my conditioning & cardio a lot, since grappling is very exhausting IMHO.

The worst thing I was ever submitted with (in training only, I haven't fought a submission or MMA fight yet), was a very good applied guillotine choke, when I tried to ground & pound my coach. I took him down (double underhooks & sweeped his feet) was in his guard and got choked before I could even think of throwing a punch. I fucking paniced, I had no idea idea how to get out and it fuckin hurt. I tapped insanely just to get out.

[Mike Gill]

I have a wresting backgorund did some Gracie and trained for a Vale Tudo match a few years ago. I never got to fight because I tore my shoulder getting submitted.

I love the UFC but hate the letdowns. Couture is one of the most amazing athletes in the world and most likely one of the greatest MMA fighters ever. His last fight against Vitor Belfort was a huge disappointment. Belfort made like 3 moves during the whole fight. Why he didn't come out swinging is a mystery.

Ortiz and Liddell was great. Tito was such a dumb ass for not taking it to the ground he got what he deserved.

[Stillblind]

I have a wresting backgorund did some Gracie and trained for a Vale Tudo match a few years ago. I never got to fight because I tore my shoulder getting submitted.

I love the UFC but hate the letdowns. Couture is one of the most amazing athletes in the world and most likely one of the greatest MMA fighters ever. His last fight against Vitor Belfort was a huge disappointment. Belfort made like 3 moves during the whole fight. Why he didn't come out swinging is a mystery.

Ortiz and Liddell was great. Tito was such a dumb ass for not taking it to the ground he got what he deserved.

The Couture Belfort fight was a huge let down. When Belfort came back this year and fought Eastman he fought like he did when he was first coming into the Ufc. Then when he finally fought Couture the second time i think he just had to much time off and he kind of lost the drive where as Coture was coming off two big upsets that year and had the drive. I think Couture is the better fighter anyway because he already beat Belfort when Belfort was at his best.

[Andi D]

The Couture Belfort fight was a huge let down. When Belfort came back this year and fought Eastman he fought like he did when he was first coming into the Ufc. Then when he finally fought Couture the second time i think he just had to much time off and he kind of lost the drive where as Coture was coming off two big upsets that year and had the drive. I think Couture is the better fighter anyway because he already beat Belfort when Belfort was at his best.

The biggest disappointment for me was PRIDE NYE. 1st CroCop submits Randleman. Agreed, Randleman DOES suck, but I thought he'd gonna finish crocop via luck punch/ haymaker. CroCop is a lucky chump, I hate him. Especially because he "stole" Fabrizio Werdum (his new BJJ Trainer, 4 times heavy weight champ in BJJ), who was supposed to train with Chute Boxe (Wanderlei Silva's Team). And what also pisses me off, is Silva losing to Mark Hunt. I hope Silva will gain some weight, if he really wants to fight at heavyweight. Credits to the judges though, that they ain't as faggish as the K-1 judges and gave the win to Hunt, who deserved it (he also had a sprained ankled, before the fights started).

Rulon Gardner looks quite promising to me, I think he can make it, but I don't see him submitting Nogueira nor KO Fedor. The only way to beat Nog is via Decision, he got the fuckin iron chin deluxe, like Fedor. Fedor can only be submitted, but I think if Nog can't do it, no one can. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Gardner's next fight.

Can't say much about UFC 51, haven't seen it, would be cool if u could give me a link to dl it, or atleast a highlight clip ala sherdog.

Thx in advance.

[Johnny Upton]

Belfort is an enigma. He'll look like a world beater on one day and a chump on the next. He crushes Wandy and in his next fight with Sak does nothing.

[Johnny Upton]

UFC 51 is in February.

[Stillblind]

UFC 51 got pushed back because Frank Mir got into a motorcycle accident i think. It is scheduled in Feb. with Ortiz vs Belfort as the main event. Ufc has the new show that comes out this month called The Ultimate Fighter. Syvester Stallone's show the contender is coming out or is out im not sure, but Dana White issued a five million dollar challange to Stallione that the winner of his show would beat the winner of Stallone's show. Here is the link http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/37858.htm

[Johnny Upton]

And yes, I'd say it's most effective, if u combine it with some grappling art, preferably BJJ or wrestling (no, not gay olympic wrestling, I'm talking about submission wrestling). Another good thing is, that BJJ increased my conditioning & cardio a lot, since grappling is very exhausting IMHO.


While freestyle wrestling isn't the end all/be all MMA technique (mostly due to the rule differences in the 2 sports - ie a wrestler will give his back), but neither is submission wrestling. ADCC champs seem to draw equally from freestyle and BJJ bases.

Guys like Hendo, Couture, Coleman, Randleman, Trigg, Kerr, etc all have freestyle wrestling backgrounds and have faired well in MMA and hardly qualify as "gay"

[Andi D]

While freestyle wrestling isn't the end all/be all MMA technique (mostly due to the rule differences in the 2 sports - ie a wrestler will give his back), but neither is submission wrestling. ADCC champs seem to draw equally from freestyle and BJJ bases.

Guys like Hendo, Couture, Coleman, Randleman, Trigg, Kerr, etc all have freestyle wrestling backgrounds and have faired well in MMA and hardly qualify as "gay"

Randleman = AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, great wrestler [/sarcasm], he takes down his opponent, doesn't know what to do then, gasses and gets submitted or knocked out.

Couture = ok he's good, but Silva would kill him, even on the ground

Do you honestly want to compare UFC guys with Pride fighters (ok randleman fights in pride, he still sucks), just look at Babyface (Josh Barnett) when he fought crocop, the OH SO GREAT former UFC champ, even if he wouldn't have injured himself, crocop would have killed him (and crocop is a "can" imho). Most guys in pride train either submission wrestling/ japanese wrestling or judo or braz. JJ when it comes to grappling (except Fedor he trains Sambo). Name ONE, SUCCESSFUL Pride Fighter, that trains freestyle wrestling.

[Andi D]

UFC 51 got pushed back because Frank Mir got into a motorcycle accident i think. It is scheduled in Feb. with Ortiz vs Belfort as the main event. Ufc has the new show that comes out this month called The Ultimate Fighter. Syvester Stallone's show the contender is coming out or is out im not sure, but Dana White issued a five million dollar challange to Stallione that the winner of his show would beat the winner of Stallone's show. Here is the link http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/37858.htm

thx, I didn't know that, since I normally don't care about the UFC cards.

[Attitude]

1. Do you watch those events?

2. What's your favourite?

3.UFC vs. Pride, which one do you consider to be the better event and WHY?

4. Who's your favourite fighter?




1) Yes, all the time.

2) I actually prefer the UFC shows. I can't really put my finger on why. Maybe I've just been watching guys fight in the octagon so much longer I like it better than the ring. I went to a UFC show a few years ago in Connecticut, it was great. The one where Pulver fought B.J. Penn and won by decision in a pretty boring fight.

3) The common idea seems to be that Pride is better but I'm not convinced. I don't think they actually have significantly better fighters. Possibly in the heavyweight division although I think a few of UFC's heavies could give Nog or Fedor a run for their money. I also don't think Silva beats Couture. I know Lidell lost to Jackson and Jackson has now lost twice to Silva but I think Lidell gives Silva a run for his money and possibly wins as well. I thought Ricco actually beat Nog when they fought but there was no way the judges were giving that to the UFC guy. Also, Pride's done worked fights before (Coleman/Takada in Pride 5, among others), which takes something away from them for me.

4) Couture

[Attitude]

Couture = ok he's good, but Silva would kill him, even on the ground

Do you honestly want to compare UFC guys with Pride fighters (ok randleman fights in pride, he still sucks), just look at Babyface (Josh Barnett) when he fought crocop, the OH SO GREAT former UFC champ, even if he wouldn't have injured himself, crocop would have killed him (and crocop is a "can" imho). Most guys in pride train either submission wrestling/ japanese wrestling or judo or braz. JJ when it comes to grappling (except Fedor he trains Sambo). Name ONE, SUCCESSFUL Pride Fighter, that trains freestyle wrestling.

No, he wouldn't kill him. Why would you think so? Keep in mind that Silva lost to Tito and Tito got killed by Couture. Actually of their common opponents, Couture also beat Vitor who literally almost killed Silva (but I will grant you that was Old Vitor).

Barnett got hurt while he was on top of Cro Cop. He was on top and about to start beating on Cro Cop. Cro Cop, as you're aware, is not exactly known as a submission fighter or fighting from his back.

[Brad]

Silva/Couture - I think each guy would win with his respective organization's rules. IMO, there is no doubt Couture will take Silva down in either ring, the difference being in Pride you can't throw elbows to the head which would take a lot of Randy's ground game away. Pride would also stand them up more for slow action which gives Silva more chances to strike from the feet. In the octagon, Randy beats him just like he did Tito and Vitor.

As far as fighter quality, both organizations have guys that can win on either side. I just prefer Pride because the fights are more entertaining. I wish they would do a superbowl type of event at the end of the year with the champions facing off. Wishful thinking, and no, it will never happen.

[Andi D]

No, he wouldn't kill him. Why would you think so? Keep in mind that Silva lost to Tito and Tito got killed by Couture. Actually of their common opponents, Couture also beat Vitor who literally almost killed Silva (but I will grant you that was Old Vitor).

Barnett got hurt while he was on top of Cro Cop. He was on top and about to start beating on Cro Cop. Cro Cop, as you're aware, is not exactly known as a submission fighter or fighting from his back.

ok Silva lost to tito, via decision, shit happens. McCarthy is a fag for stopping belfort, Silva wasn't hurt at all, just bleeding a bit, as you could see he was even arguing with mc carthy to continue the fight, I mean do you think belfort can punch as fast as that for more than 15 seconds? And only the first few punches had power in them.

And I wouldn't say that it's bad for randy if he may not strike with his ellbows in pride, it's the same for silva, who originally is a thaiboxer and knows how to throw bad ass ellbows (just think of his knees and know imagine what he would do with his ellbows..).

[Johnny Upton]

Randleman = AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, great wrestler [/sarcasm], he takes down his opponent, doesn't know what to do then, gasses and gets submitted or knocked out.

Except he nearly killed Fedor with that slam.


Couture = ok he's good, but Silva would kill him, even on the ground

Ring yes. Cage no. Each of these guys have tuned their game to the enviroment.


Do you honestly want to compare UFC guys with Pride fighters (ok randleman fights in pride, he still sucks), just look at Babyface (Josh Barnett) when he fought crocop, the OH SO GREAT former UFC champ, even if he wouldn't have injured himself, crocop would have killed him (and crocop is a "can" imho). Most guys in pride train either submission wrestling/ japanese wrestling or judo or braz. JJ when it comes to grappling (except Fedor he trains Sambo). Name ONE, SUCCESSFUL Pride Fighter, that trains freestyle wrestling.

Dan Henderson's name ring a bell? Mark Coleman was the 2000 GP Champ, Mark Kerr was a force until drug addiction ruined his career (and an overhand right from Igor), you could probably include Rampage in the list as well. You knock freestyle wrestling yet you list Judo?!? Who’s successful in Pride w/ a Judo background?


Barnett isn’t a freestyle wrestler he’s a Pro wrestler in Japan. He’s also the KOP and former UFC champ so he’s got skills. Its an asinine comment to make that 1) Cro Cop would have killed Barnett and 2) Cro Cop is a can. Just about everyone has him ranked as the #3 Heavy in the world, yet you must know something the rest of the world doesn’t.

[Stillblind]

The only problem i have about Ufc is when they get someone with a little hype around them they wont give them a good fight they give them weaker oppenents. Tito went two years without being beat but in the 2 years who did he fight that was equal to him somewhat. Maybe two people in 2 years. Then he has a fight against Couture and he just gets worked. Then the liddel fight he loses cause he wants to stand up with him. I think in that fight he wasnt ready and stood up so he had something to fall back on if he lost IMHO. Granted he won his last fight but it went to decison. When he fights someone halfway decent he dosent do as good.

I think liddel is a good fighter but give him a good fight. I think him fighting Vernon White was crazy. White has only fought in UFC twice in his career and he gets a shot at liddel that is crazy. I could understand if he had actually won a fight in the UFC. The UFC used to be whoever deserved it got it but now its like they dont wont the top guys to lose. They give them the tough fights when they have to..

[Stillblind]

Im with johnny on this one. Freestyle wrestlers do extremly well in MMA. Mark Kerr was never beat untill like Johnny said drug addiction. Has anyone heard if he gonna fight this past year in pride. I know he knocked hiself out this year but i havnt heard if he is gonna try to make another comeback.

[Andi D]

Except he nearly killed Fedor with that slam.




Ring yes. Cage no. Each of these guys have tuned their game to the enviroment.




Dan Henderson's name ring a bell? Mark Coleman was the 2000 GP Champ, Mark Kerr was a force until drug addiction ruined his career (and an overhand right from Igor), you could probably include Rampage in the list as well. You knock freestyle wrestling yet you list Judo?!? Who’s successful in Pride w/ a Judo background?


Barnett isn’t a freestyle wrestler he’s a Pro wrestler in Japan. He’s also the KOP and former UFC champ so he’s got skills. Its an asinine comment to make that 1) Cro Cop would have killed Barnett and 2) Cro Cop is a can. Just about everyone has him ranked as the #3 Heavy in the world, yet you must know something the rest of the world doesn’t.

Nearly killed, lol, Fedor cannot be KO'ed, I bet he could even withstand CroCop's Headkick. Yeah he is #3 so? He wouldn't be where he was if gay Fabrizio CockSuck Werdum would have gone to Chute Boxe where he belongs instead to crocop newbie squad. And who the fuck is crocop? He got Ko'ed by Randleman << AHAHA!!!! Nog subbed him with ease (ok that was clear from the beginning). He is nothing without his kick and if the other pride fighters would make the effort to learn HOW TO BLOCK a kick (like silva) he can't do shit. Submitting Randleman is nothing to be proud off.

[Stillblind]

Nearly killed, lol, Fedor cannot be KO'ed, I bet he could even withstand CroCop's Headkick. Yeah he is #3 so? He wouldn't be where he was if gay Fabrizio CockSuck Werdum would have gone to Chute Boxe where he belongs instead to crocop newbie squad. And who the fuck is crocop? He got Ko'ed by Randleman << AHAHA!!!! Nog subbed him with ease (ok that was clear from the beginning). He is nothing without his kick and if the other pride fighters would make the effort to learn HOW TO BLOCK a kick (like silva) he can't do shit. Submitting Randleman is nothing to be proud off.

Funny you say that about submitting randleman cause fedor did the same thing to him.

[Attitude]

Im with johnny on this one. Freestyle wrestlers do extremly well in MMA. Mark Kerr was never beat untill like Johnny said drug addiction. Has anyone heard if he gonna fight this past year in pride. I know he knocked hiself out this year but i havnt heard if he is gonna try to make another comeback.

I don't disagree with the point that freestyle wrestlers do well, but keep in mind that when Kerr was "the smashing machine" and just killing people he was doing more 'roids than Barry Bonds.

[Attitude]

Nearly killed, lol, Fedor cannot be KO'ed, I bet he could even withstand CroCop's Headkick. Yeah he is #3 so? He wouldn't be where he was if gay Fabrizio CockSuck Werdum would have gone to Chute Boxe where he belongs instead to crocop newbie squad. And who the fuck is crocop? He got Ko'ed by Randleman << AHAHA!!!! Nog subbed him with ease (ok that was clear from the beginning). He is nothing without his kick and if the other pride fighters would make the effort to learn HOW TO BLOCK a kick (like silva) he can't do shit. Submitting Randleman is nothing to be proud off.

What fights are you watching? Just because Fedor has not been KO'ed doesn't mean he can't be KO'ed. There's some basic physics/biology involved. Anyone can be KO'ed. Its one thing to be a big fan and all but turn down the hyperbole a bit.

Also, Nog did not sub Cro Cop w/ ease. Cro Cop beat the crap out of him for almost 2 rounds. Also, while Silva did a great job of holding off Cro Cop, Silva couldn't hurt Cro Cop either. Which I believe is why that one was a draw. Sure, he would be greatly diminished if you took away his kicks, but that doesn't make any sense. Asking people to learn how to block one of those kicks is akin to asking people to learn how to block a baseball bat. Its not that easy.

[Stillblind]

I don't disagree with the point that freestyle wrestlers do well, but keep in mind that when Kerr was "the smashing machine" and just killing people he was doing more 'roids than Barry Bonds.

In the beginning of Kerr's carrer i dont think the drugs had anything to do with it. When he was fighting NHB in brazil he never lost. Early Ufc he never lost then I think they become a issue in pride. Drugs or not he was one of the better freestyle wrestlers. You cant hold it against him because back then no one cared about the drugs. Even Bas Rutten admitted to more than half of MMA fighters used drugs when UFC and Pride first came on the scene.

[Andi D]

What fights are you watching? Just because Fedor has not been KO'ed doesn't mean he can't be KO'ed. There's some basic physics/biology involved. Anyone can be KO'ed. Its one thing to be a big fan and all but turn down the hyperbole a bit.

Also, Nog did not sub Cro Cop w/ ease. Cro Cop beat the crap out of him for almost 2 rounds. Also, while Silva did a great job of holding off Cro Cop, Silva couldn't hurt Cro Cop either. Which I believe is why that one was a draw. Sure, he would be greatly diminished if you took away his kicks, but that doesn't make any sense. Asking people to learn how to block one of those kicks is akin to asking people to learn how to block a baseball bat. Its not that easy.

Ok let me rephrase: None of the current HW Fighters in Pride can KO Fedor.

almost 2 rounds? In the BEGINNING OF THE SECOND ROUND crocop was wrapped up and taken down, got a few punches to his ugly face, tried to dry hump nog's ass and got armbarred and almost cried like a baby, when he realised his loss. Beat the crap out of him? All he had was a slightly bleeding nose.

Baseball bat? that's ridicolous, CroCop is about 20 - 40 pounds (I don't know for sure and I don't want to look it up now) heavier than Silva and Wanderlei blocked his kicks to the head easily. He only got his ribs bruised a bit.

"Also, while Silva did a great job of holding off Cro Cop, Silva couldn't hurt Cro Cop either" <<< Silva would have fucked CroCop badly if it hasn't been special rules, like 3x 5minute rounds. Normally it's First Round 10 minutes, crocop would have gassed and Silva would have either TKO'd him or maybe even submitted. Don't forget about the fact, that Silva has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and has also almost submitted Sakuraba with an armbar (it was fully on, Silva let him go).

[Johnny Upton]

Ok let me rephrase: None of the current HW Fighters in Pride can KO Fedor.

almost 2 rounds? In the BEGINNING OF THE SECOND ROUND crocop was wrapped up and taken down, got a few punches to his ugly face, tried to dry hump nog's ass and got armbarred and almost cried like a baby, when he realised his loss. Beat the crap out of him? All he had was a slightly bleeding nose.

Baseball bat? that's ridicolous, CroCop is about 20 - 40 pounds (I don't know for sure and I don't want to look it up now) heavier than Silva and Wanderlei blocked his kicks to the head easily. He only got his ribs bruised a bit.

"Also, while Silva did a great job of holding off Cro Cop, Silva couldn't hurt Cro Cop either" <<< Silva would have fucked CroCop badly if it hasn't been special rules, like 3x 5minute rounds. Normally it's First Round 10 minutes, crocop would have gassed and Silva would have either TKO'd him or maybe even submitted. Don't forget about the fact, that Silva has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and has also almost submitted Sakuraba with an armbar (it was fully on, Silva let him go).

If, If, If...

Did Mirko fuck your sister or something?

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

I haven't watched either in a while, but did watch when they would come on. I like the octogon of UFC, but Pride just seems to be a much bigger deal in Japan and they seem to have the $$$ to attract better talent. That said, Couture is probably my favorite, b/c he is just so bad ass!

Anyone know of torrents for the latest pride?

[Johnny Upton]

Im with johnny on this one. Freestyle wrestlers do extremly well in MMA. Mark Kerr was never beat untill like Johnny said drug addiction. Has anyone heard if he gonna fight this past year in pride. I know he knocked hiself out this year but i havnt heard if he is gonna try to make another comeback.

If memory serves his Pride contract is up and it didn't sound like they were going to resign him.

Last thing I remember seeing was that he was retired and involved in training/coaching.

[Andi D]

If, If, If...

Did Mirko fuck your sister or something?

No, I just hate him cuz of his arrogance... and cuz he is croatian.
Agreed, croatia has some hot females, but they must be disappointed to live with so many ugly men (like cro cop).

[Stillblind]

If memory serves his Pride contract is up and it didn't sound like they were going to resign him.

Last thing I remember seeing was that he was retired and involved in training/coaching.

He came back this past year and fought Pride 27 against Yoshihisa Yamamoto and knocked his own self out. He went in for the takedown and when he hit the ground he landed on his kneck.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

He went in for the takedown and when he hit the ground he landed on his kneck.

Before I saw this, I did not know it was possible to self-inflict a DDT (which is what it wound up looking like). It was pretty funny, but also pretty sad as well.

I have debated with friends, if you could have only one skill/discipline for MMA, what would the best be? I was thinking wrestling just because you can do so much with the other person's weight and it makes size and bulk less impressive. Also, seems to me to give better defense skills. Although, I have never done any MMA myself, so I am pretty ignorant to what it takes.

[Attitude]

Before I saw this, I did not know it was possible to self-inflict a DDT (which is what it wound up looking like). It was pretty funny, but also pretty sad as well.

I have debated with friends, if you could have only one skill/discipline for MMA, what would the best be? I was thinking wrestling just because you can do so much with the other person's weight and it makes size and bulk less impressive. Also, seems to me to give better defense skills. Although, I have never done any MMA myself, so I am pretty ignorant to what it takes.

Having trained a bit (tae kwan do (hey, I was young), muay thai and jiu jitsu) if I could only pick one thing I think I might pick jiu jitsu. Its really good for neutralizing larger opponents. I also remember having only trained in tae kwan do and having the shit beat out of me by a really good wrestler in high school who was about the same size as me, so maybe thats better. If you're interested in bar fighting, I'm not sure jiu jitsu is your best bet. While you are arm-barring the guy his friend will be stomping on your head. Just get out of their while you are still intact.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

If you're interested in bar fighting, I'm not sure jiu jitsu is your best bet. While you are arm-barring the guy his friend will be stomping on your head. Just get out of their while you are still intact.


Yeah, I am not sure any of the MMA disciplines are allowing pool cues or broken beer bottles in yet.

[Attitude]

Yeah, I am not sure any of the MMA disciplines are allowing pool cues or broken beer bottles in yet.

Well one can only hope...

[Johnny Upton]

He came back this past year and fought Pride 27 against Yoshihisa Yamamoto and knocked his own self out. He went in for the takedown and when he hit the ground he landed on his kneck.

IIRC - It was a 1 fight contract. If he had won or (more importantly) shown that he could draw again he would have been resigned.

[Andi D]

Well one can only hope...

what do you guys think about people like Kimbo Slice?

I personally think, they only damage the purpose of MMA with their attitude. I mean MMA is illegal in most States and fucks like him start backyard brawls.
That's just bad press for MMA.

[Andi D]

Bar fights... I'm almost never alone and if I get in trouble in a dangerous place, not the average drinking bar, I'll draw the nine, threaten them and leave.

[Stillblind]

what do you guys think about people like Kimbo Slice?

I personally think, they only damage the purpose of MMA with their attitude. I mean MMA is illegal in most States and fucks like him start backyard brawls.
That's just bad press for MMA.

I dont think he brings a bad rep to MMA seeing as he is a Boxer. He fought a MMA fighter. That fight was special rules to where they couldnt kick or use submissions. Kimbo Slice is a boxer and prob will never be in any MMA fights if he does they will be special rules.

[Andi D]

I dont think he brings a bad rep to MMA seeing as he is a Boxer. He fought a MMA fighter. That fight was special rules to where they couldnt kick or use submissions. Kimbo Slice is a boxer and prob will never be in any MMA fights if he does they will be special rules.

WRONG. The Rules at the fight with Gannon McGee CLEARLY said NO KICKS (knee strikes aren't kicks) and no submissions on the GROUND, but when Gannon choked Kimbo, his crew ran in, bitching that the rules said no submissions, obviously they don't know that you can submit someone in standup too, as Kimbo had neither an idea how to block the knees, nor how to escape the choke. I do think jerks like him bring bad reputation to MMA, since they disguise their illegal, non-sanctioned MMA Fights as sparring matches...

[Stillblind]

Kimbo Slice is boxer, street fighter, or whatever you want to call him. He has never trained in MA. Its not like many people know who he is anyway.

[Reaper375]

The nerd is strong with you people...

[Johnny Upton]

Thanks Triumph

[Brad]

The nerd is strong with you people...I could've sworn on the previous board you once said you did NHB or shoot fighting when you first got out of the army. True, or am I thinking of someone else?

[BamBoozled]

I'd have to say the UFC is definitely my favorite. Pride may have more fireworks and bikini girls, but I don't have all my friends over and pay $35 to see that shit.

I watch UFC to see two jacked up, blue collar guys beating the ever living fuck out of each other. I watch it to see Big John McCarthy hold shit together. The personalities of the fighters (Tito Ortiz with the fiery pants, Kevin Randleman with the fucking cobra hood, Tank) almost beat out pro wrestling.

UFC is more pure than those goofyass Japanese tournaments. It's almost like watching a back-alley bar fight. The knockout reels are absolutely unbeatable.

1 vote for UFC.

By the way, a few years ago I heard a rumor that Mike Tyson was planning to fight some guy named Akobono in K1.

Does anyone know if that ever went down, or why it didn't?

[Johnny Upton]

By the way, a few years ago I heard a rumor that Mike Tyson was planning to fight some guy named Akobono in K1.

Does anyone know if that ever went down, or why it didn't?

He was supposed to fight Akebono, Bob Sapp or Jerome Lebaner this year.

He backed out due to the limited $ they had to pay him.

BTW – 175lb Royce Gracie beat the 450lb Akebono.

[Stillblind]

He was supposed to fight Akebono, Bob Sapp or Jerome Lebaner this year.

He backed out due to the limited $ they had to pay him.

BTW – 175lb Royce Gracie beat the 450lb Akebono.

Do you know how Royce won? I know it was more than likely a submission but whichone.

[Brad]

Wristlock. Sherdog's write up. (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=2275)

[bknows]

1. Do you watch those events?

2. What's your favourite?

3.UFC vs. Pride, which one do you consider to be the better event and WHY?

4. Who's your favourite fighter?




1. I watch UFC, PRIDE, and K-1
2 & 3. PRIDE is my favorite just because they usually have more than 2 fights that I'm looking forward to. Also, I like their rules, such as the one for trying to keep the action going (standing the fighters up if nothing is happening on the ground). UFC probably seeing PRIDES popularity adopted their version of this rule.
4. Genki Sudo if my favorite fighter because he is not only the best showman (entrances and antics during fights) he's also a good fighter. Also, you can't beat the man's ink on his back and shoulder.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

Did anyone see the ultimate fighter? Any thoughts on it, and is that the level of training one normally would go through?

[Johnny Upton]

Saw it and it wasn’t bad.

Thoughts:

Didn’t do much with Chuck Liddell or Randy Couture in terms of development, which is a mistake IMO. Both these guys could do a lot to further both the show and UFC. Though Chuck is tapping Willa Ford.

Chris Liben – Total dick. Got drunk and pissed on the Canadian guys pillow. He’s probably one of the better fighters as he trains under Randy at Team Quest. The only guy to finish the run, but looked spent for the rest of the training session.

Canadian Guy – I was waiting for him to call his mommy. He’s probably cannon fodder after the next show.

Diego – Seems pretty serious about it and they spent some time on him so I’m guessing that he’s around to the end

Nathan Quarry – Another guy who trains at Team Quest. Looks to be well ahead in terms of skills.

Bobby Southworth – I have no clue what he’s doing here. He’s fought in Pride before so he’s not an unknown. He also looks to be about 25lbs above the 205 Lt Hwt cut off. Looks to be a good guy though, talked the Canadian kid from leaving.


Could turn out to be a pretty good show, but with Dana White involved it will probably be a cluster fuck.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

What happened at the very end. My recording got cut off when the Canadian guy was refusing to go to the gym, I missed everything after that. It sounds like from what you wrote, he stayed on. Yeah he was a bitch, but that other dude is a prick for pissing on his pillow.

So working out and puking multiple times is not uncommon or these guys are just not used to that intense workout?

[Johnny Upton]

Bobby Southworth and another guy talked him into going. He struggled again and they picked teams and of course was the last one picked.

As for the workouts they had 4 stations at 30min/station. The workout was 3 hrs so they would get a 20 min rest between stations. IMO it was pretty intense, but they were trying to push them. Puking can be caused by a multitude of reasons and isn't indicative of how intense the workout is. However for being given such a great shot, some of the guys were in terrible shape.

[Brad]

also, i will fight anyone on this board in the octagon. i'm crazy.I'm your huckleberry.

[Dornuss]

1. Try to watch the events as much as possible, but we have no PPV UFC or Pride events in Australia.

2. I prefer to watch UFC because i have hardly seen any Pride events and therefore don't really care about who wins or not.

3. In my opinion Pride is the better event. They have a deeper talent pool, especially in the heavy weight division. I prefer the rules, particularly that you get dragged to the middle rather than being beaten against the fence. They also put on really good shows from a visual standpoint. The only down side is BAz's commentary.

4. Don't really have a favourite fighter because everyone has their good and bad days. I love seeing Vitor fight when he has it together. But as an all round fighter and nice guy i would have to go with Elvis Sinosic.

Some of you guys said that you fight and you train in MMA and BJJ. Just wondering who people train with, and what exactly they train in?

Personally i train with Elvis SInosic and Anthony Perosh, mainly do BJJ (last 3 years) but also do a little bit of Muay Thai and Freestyle wrestling.

[Rivers]

I actually went to high school with Matt Hughes. We were in a high school of about 400 or so in Hillsboro IL. I knew him fairly well. His events are a pretty big deal around there everyone has them recorded etc.

[Stillblind]

What happened at the very end. My recording got cut off when the Canadian guy was refusing to go to the gym, I missed everything after that. It sounds like from what you wrote, he stayed on. Yeah he was a bitch, but that other dude is a prick for pissing on his pillow.

So working out and puking multiple times is not uncommon or these guys are just not used to that intense workout?

I was watching the preview for the show the other day and it has a little clip of Randy telling the guys if they cant lose 20 pounds in a day they are not a man. That some pretty crazy stuff.

[Brockystyle]

Originally Posted by Andi D
1. Do you watch those events?
2. What's your favourite?
3.UFC vs. Pride, which one do you consider to be the better event and WHY?
4. Who's your favurite fighter?



My dad used to sell hacked satelites.. you know, the kind where you get all the Pay-Per-View, all the movie channels, and everything else. Not to mention five porn stations that probably changed my view on women forever.

1. Anyways, I've seen about every Pride/UFC for about a five year span. K1 bores me. I like the submission factor.

2/3 Tough question. I just go for the matchups. Pride's rules are way better.

4. I'm a big fan of Robbie Lawler and the Miletich crew. Robbie is the type of person I'd step up to at a bar and get knocked the fuck out in a second.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

Did anyone watch the ultimate fighter culminatiuon last night? What a fucking fight between Bonnar and Griffin. WOW, they can take a likin. Interested to see what happens when they start getting real cards.

[HypnoToad]

Did anyone watch the ultimate fighter culminatiuon last night? What a fucking fight between Bonnar and Griffin. WOW, they can take a likin. Interested to see what happens when they start getting real cards.

It was a great fight, I was really suprised that Griffin never tried to take Bonnar down and groud and pound. Nobody knows for sure, but I'm putting my money on a PPV rematch for their UFC contract fight.

That fight along with the others really helps the old UFC. The event was the most widely viewed MMA event ever and all the fights were pretty good.

[DrinksOnTheHouse]

Nobody knows for sure, but I'm putting my money on a PPV rematch for their UFC contract fight.

That's what I think. I was reminded of the Ward-Gotti boxing match series. They could milk this out for a while, because these two seem so well matched and seem to not give a shit about pain. I also saw them take it to the ground a few times, and some good ground game (offense and defense) from both of them. I am certain we will get a rematch of these two guys, and then looking forward to seeing how they fare against the typical UFC guys.

I am no expert, by any means, and don't understand all the hatred for Dana White, but he put on a hell of a show, with an amazing final fight, and we got it all for free, so hats off too him. And class act or not, they knew what they had on their hands after the fight, and it would have made no $$ sense to not give bonnar that contract.

[Nick11384]

I agree with both of you. Bonnar and Griffin simply have to fight again. I don't know a whole lot (read: anything) about mixed martial arts but that was a hell of a fight. Anytime where two guys can fight that hard and that long gets my attention and approval. If they were to have a rematch on pay-per-view it would be the first fight that I'd shell out the $35 for and I don't think I'd be the only new buyer. Dana White was very wise to give Bonnar a contract. That's gonna be a deal where everyone wins, especially the fans.

[Murph167]

Dana White ought to be giving Griffin and Bonnar whores, cars, and $1000 chips. That one fight did more to promote the UFC than any event ever.

[crowebar]

okay u wanna know the best UFC fighter ever "Hoyce Gracy" style Grappling no contest.

I don't even know where to begin. This gave me cauliflower eyes.

FOCUS:

I don't get a chance to watch much UFC PPV, so to get the matches on Spike TV last night for free was a real treat. I really think this did a lot for the sport, especially (as stated before) the Bonnar-Griffin fight.

A few observations:

1. How mismatched was the Diego Sanchez/Kenny Florian fight? I think it would have been a much better match if Lieben had advanced. But, thems the ropes I guess. Does anyone think Sanchez has a future in the UFC?

2. Imagine if Bonnar had connected with that wheel kick in the 3rd. Ouch.

3. What the fuck happened to Ken Shamrock? Could he have won if he didn't bust his ass on that kick?

[Murph167]

1. Sanchez in the UFC - I'm not the world's most informed observer, I've only just discovered the sport, but after watching several DVDs of other 185 and 170 pounders, yes I think he's got a chance. I also think he's in for a humbling experience in his first few fights. Plus, something about the guy just rubs me the wrong way.

2. Had that wheelkick connected it probably would have ended the fight. But if Bonnar had the juice to throw a better wheelkick that late in the fight it would have to have been a different fight up to that point anyway.

3. Shamrock fell down. I read on the UFC forum that they thought he slipped on the stuff they'd used to clean up Forrest's blood, but I couldn't tell you how accurate that statement is.

[Mike Gill]

3. Shamrock fell down. I read on the UFC forum that they thought he slipped on the stuff they'd used to clean up Forrest's blood, but I couldn't tell you how accurate that statement is.

It was the second fall for him and it must have been something on the mat. It was pretty cool the way he used the first slip to take down his man though. I could even see that as becomming a new technique. Instead of shooting in, fall quick and get your opponent into an ankle lock.

[HypnoToad]

1. How mismatched was the Diego Sanchez/Kenny Florian fight? I think it would have been a much better match if Lieben had advanced. But, thems the ropes I guess. Does anyone think Sanchez has a future in the UFC?


Of all the fighters on the show, I really think Sanchez he has the best chance of making an impact. I understand he has a shitty personality, but he's brutal on the ground. Florian was fighting up a weight class, he's usually a Welterweight, and going in I really thought he didn't have a chance.

[Maricon]

I don't disagree with the point that freestyle wrestlers do well, but keep in mind that when Kerr was "the smashing machine" and just killing people he was doing more 'roids than Barry Bonds.


The grand majority of full contact fighters roid up.

[Noneedforthat]

The grand majority of full contact fighters roid up.

Forgive me for being naive, but these fights are regulated by state commissions. Don't they have to drug test for the fights then?

Sure, they don't drug test year round, but they will before the fight.

[Attitude]

The grand majority of full contact fighters roid up.

Do you mean the majority who fight generally or the majority who fight in the UFC? The Nevada Athletic Commission (or Connecticut or Jersey, depending where the event is) tests all the fighters after the fights which resulted in both Tim Sylvia and Josh Barnett being stripped of belts and suspended for positive tests.

I'll admit I don't know enough about masking agents or the stringency levels of the tests but my gut instinct would be that most MMA fighters don't have the financial ability (like a pro baseball player) to be using any type of specialized, undetectable BALCO-type 'roids.

Also, most of the guys just don't look like they are using 'roids, with a few exceptions, like Phil Baroni (which is NOT to say Baroni uses 'roids, he's just jacked as hell).

All that aside, that Griffin-Bonner fight has got to be one of my all time favorite MMA fights. 15 minutes of hell for each guy. I'm still not sure why Forest won, but I think I'd say the same thing if Bonner won. I'd say it was a draw.

Does anyone know if they will be showing all the other fights from that card at some point? Many of the other TUF fighters also fought that night, it just wasn't televised. Here are the results. (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=2971)

[garbanzobean]

Of all the fighters on the show, I really think Sanchez he has the best chance of making an impact. I understand he has a shitty personality, but he's brutal on the ground.

I'd say all three of the fighters will do fairly well in the UFC. It isn't like these three guys are new to the ring. According to Full Contact Fighter's database (which I like better than Sherdog's):

Diego Sanchez currently is 12-0-0 in professional fights (counting his fight with Florian, which may or may not be "officially" counted). Eight of those fights are in King of the Cage. Not a bad start for a guy in his early twenties. He's only had one fight go to decision, and has a nice mix of submission and striking wins.

Forrest Griffin is 10-2-0 professionally, and 6-0-0 in amateur events. His only two losses are to Jeremy Horn, who is a total journeyman but still a good fighter when he is on, and Dan Severn. Severn is washed up, but this was Griffin's first pro fight, and it went to decision. This kid has potential, assuming he doesn't immediately try to fight some of the better light heavyweights.

Stefan Bonnar, who looks like Super Punch-Out's Little Mac for my money, is already 6-2-0 in professional mma with one recorded amateur win and no losses. One of the losses FCF counts is the Forrest Griffin fight (not much of a loss), and the other is to Ryoto Machida, who has beaten Rich Franklin, Michael McDonald and BJ Penn.

These guys are all ring-tested and proven to be better than all but the top tiers of professional MMA fighters, meaning they belong in the UFC, Pride, or even K-1's burgeoning MMA program, and will probably last.

[doom32x]

A bit off topic, but how would these guys stack up against a very good heavyweight boxer using their respective techniques but with the lighter gloves. I was watching hte Bonner-Griffen fight and noticed that both did better when boxing, especially Bonner, when these guys do anything other than a quick snap to the shin, they seem to lose their balance, I would say that a good boxer can take advantage of that.

[Johnny Upton]

In a boxing match they'd lose

In a MMA match, they'd take the boxer down with relative ease and pound away/work submissions.

[garbanzobean]

A bit off topic, but how would these guys stack up against a very good heavyweight boxer using their respective techniques but with the lighter gloves. I was watching hte Bonner-Griffen fight and noticed that both did better when boxing, especially Bonner, when these guys do anything other than a quick snap to the shin, they seem to lose their balance, I would say that a good boxer can take advantage of that.

I guess it depends on whether you are talking about those particular fighters or mixed martial artists in general.

Overall, this is kind of an absurd question. Assuming you're talking about mixed martial artists in general and not just these guys, I'd have to say that it just depends. The reason they throw "mixed" in front of martial arts is that there are numerous ways to win. A fighter with badass punching power is always going to have a puncher's chance at winning a fight with a KO. Tank Abbott comes to mind, sadly.

On the other hand, a true mixed martial artist is going to have a lot more weapons at his disposal than a pure boxer. Sure, he might not punch as hard, but he is going to be comfortable throwing knees kicks, taking the guy down for some ground and pound and/or submitting him, etc.

As a trend, I'd say that true mixed martial artists would beat boxers more than boxers would beat mixed martial artists. But each and every boxer is going to have a puncher's chance.

And I'd still love to see Mike Tyson fight in K-1.

[Brad]

To take this a step further, boxers lose in K-1 matches which is only kickboxing and involves no ground work. Former WBO champ Ray Mercer just got KTFO in 20 seconds by the current K-1 champ Bonjansky when he was hit with a kick to the head. Francois Botha was a heavyweight contender (I use that term loosely) and he has had only very limited success competing in K-1.

Not to say that boxers couldn't compete with a lot of training but that they can't compete in a MMA sport with only one background, even if they excel in that background.

[Jensen189]

takedown add too much to the game. A boxer is also going to be fucked with leg kicks. There is alot to the game.

[Maricon]

A bit off topic, but how would these guys stack up against a very good heavyweight boxer using their respective techniques but with the lighter gloves. I was watching hte Bonner-Griffen fight and noticed that both did better when boxing, especially Bonner, when these guys do anything other than a quick snap to the shin, they seem to lose their balance, I would say that a good boxer can take advantage of that.


Interesting question. I believe that this can go either way. Boxer's punch much harder, quicker, and more precise then kickboxers/no holds barred fighters, but boxers do not have the conditioning to take kicks to the chest and legs from those monsters. Personally, i've seen boxers beat up kickboxers and vice-versa, its pretty subjective.

At the same time, some of you are making it seem like it would be as easy as getting a takedown on a boxer and the fight would be over, I'd like to see a top class boxer get taken down by a full contact fighter.

I think the easiest way to neutralize a boxer would be with well placed quicks to the quads, the type of conditioning to take those kicks boxers usually dont have, hence there legs will go numb, and they are fucked.

To take out a full contact fighter, a boxer would have to have good hand and foot speed to fight on the outside, occasionally land a flurry of punches and/or a well placed overhand right if he has his opponent rush him, just to let him know who's boss.

Once again, subjective, just my thoughts.

[Attitude]

Interesting question. I believe that this can go either way. Boxer's punch much harder, quicker, and more precise then kickboxers/no holds barred fighters, but boxers do not have the conditioning to take kicks to the chest and legs from those monsters. Personally, i've seen boxers beat up kickboxers and vice-versa, its pretty subjective.

At the same time, some of you are making it seem like it would be as easy as getting a takedown on a boxer and the fight would be over, I'd like to see a top class boxer get taken down by a full contact fighter.

I think the easiest way to neutralize a boxer would be with well placed quicks to the quads, the type of conditioning to take those kicks boxers usually dont have, hence there legs will go numb, and they are fucked.

To take out a full contact fighter, a boxer would have to have good hand and foot speed to fight on the outside, occasionally land a flurry of punches and/or a well placed overhand right if he has his opponent rush him, just to let him know who's boss.

Once again, subjective, just my thoughts.

Early UFCs had a fair number of boxers getting in the ring w/ fighters of other disciplines. The boxers all got killed. They have no take-down defenses. Once you teach them to sprawl, they aren't really just boxers anymore, now they are MMA fighters.

Also, boxers don't necessarily punch harder than MMA fighters. As was mentioned several times on the Ultimate Fighter final, Stephen Bonner is a golden gloves boxer. There are several MMA guys who could hold their own in a boxing match, it would, of course, depend on the opponent. But history has proven that boxers w/ limited other skills get killed in MMA matches.

That aside, any thoughts on Chuck/Randy II? I don't see why this one ends any differently than the last one.

[Maricon]

Early UFCs had a fair number of boxers getting in the ring w/ fighters of other disciplines. The boxers all got killed. They have no take-down defenses. Once you teach them to sprawl, they aren't really just boxers anymore, now they are MMA fighters.

Also, boxers don't necessarily punch harder than MMA fighters. As was mentioned several times on the Ultimate Fighter final, Stephen Bonner is a golden gloves boxer. There are several MMA guys who could hold their own in a boxing match, it would, of course, depend on the opponent. But history has proven that boxers w/ limited other skills get killed in MMA matches.

That aside, any thoughts on Chuck/Randy II? I don't see why this one ends any differently than the last one.


First of all, just because you fought in the golden gloves doesn't mean you are a quality boxer/hard puncher, bad example. Stephen Bonner would get raped in a professional level boxing match, even with a B class opponent. Secondly, the only thing that history has proven is that mediocre B- and C class boxers get beat by full contact fighters.

[Attitude]

Secondly, the only thing that history has proven is that mediocre B- and C class boxers get beat by full contact fighters.

Former WBO champ Ray Mercer just got KTFO in 20 seconds by the current K-1 champ Bonjansky when he was hit with a kick to the head.

So is Ray Mercer a B- or a C class boxer? He has lost to Klitschko, Lewis and Holyfield but otherwise he’s got to be at least a B+. He’s only going to do worse in MMA than K-1.

Anybody has a punchers chance against anyone and ridiculous things can happen (like Vitor beating Randy on a freak cut on his eye 10 seconds into the fight) but for the most part any boxer is going to get owned unless they’ve done some cross-training.

[Maricon]

So is Ray Mercer a B- or a C class boxer? He has lost to Klitschko, Lewis and Holyfield but otherwise he’s got to be at least a B+. He’s only going to do worse in MMA than K-1.

Anybody has a punchers chance against anyone and ridiculous things can happen (like Vitor beating Randy on a freak cut on his eye 10 seconds into the fight) but for the most part any boxer is going to get owned unless they’ve done some cross-training.


Of course boxers have to do cross training to fight in full contact fighting, it would be stupid not to. Ray Mercer is a good example, though I don't consider him a top fighter by a long shot. Like I said before, subjective, though a boxer can beat a full contact fighter on more then just a punchers chance, thats a ridiculous comment.